Re: sun.security package

Jahan Moreh (jmoreh@openhorizon.com)
Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:48:26 -0700

Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970411234826.006e6978@nitro.openhorizon.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:48:26 -0700
To: David.Brownell@Eng (David Brownell -- JavaSoft)
From: Jahan Moreh <jmoreh@openhorizon.com>
Subject: Re: sun.security package

Thank you David. I think I understand. Let me see if licensing@java.sun.com
has anything to ay about this.

Do you know if any of the vendors who have used the "sun.*" packages are
willing to talk with us? The binary license agreement clearly prohibits us
from redistributing these. So I am interested to know if some one else has
applied and got an "exception" from Sun.

Thanks again
Jahan

>I do know that other vendors have included made some of
>those "sun.*" classes available, and used them (despite the fact that
>Sun doesn't provide real support for them).
>

Thanks again,
Jahan

At 04:04 PM 4-11-97 -0700, David Brownell -- JavaSoft wrote:
>> Thank you very much for your prompt reply; I really apprciate it. My
>> understanding was that sun.security.* (except for sun.security.provider) is
>> not part of JDK, and that a Java licensee (e.g. Microsoft or Netscape) is
>> not bound to include these on their platform.
>
>This software is definitely part of "the JDK", which is a source
>product that you can divide into two parts:
>
> (1) "java.*" APIs which licensees are bound to support
> (the license agreements give details);
>
> (2) "sun.*" APIs which are used for a variety of purposes,
> including implementing some of those "java.*" APIs,
> but which licensees are _not_ bound to support,
> and which might not be there in future JDK releases.
>
>Some people -- including unfortunately some at Sun -- mistakely talk
>about "the JDK" as if all of it must be supported by licensees. This
>is not accurate; hence the confusion!
>
>
>> That is the impetus for us
>> wanting to redistribute them to our clients. So, the question really is
>> this: can we in fact redistributed these classes with our software to our
>> customers. We, like many others have downloaded JDK and adhere to its
>> licensing agreement. But we do not have any special agreements with Javasoft
>> or Sun.
>
>I would certainly expect that the licensing agreement says what the
>story there is. There are both source and binary licenses, which read
>differentl. I do know that other vendors have included made some of
>those "sun.*" classes available, and used them (despite the fact that
>Sun doesn't provide real support for them).
>
>
>My point is that because these classes are in the JDK (category 2 above!)
>you need to look at JDK licensing terms (source, binary) to see what the
>story there is.
>
>- Dave
>
>
>
>> Thank you again,
>> Jahan
>>
>> At 02:13 PM 4-11-97 -0700, David Brownell -- JavaSoft wrote:
>> >All of those classes are included in the JDK licence ...
>> >
>> >- Dave
>> >
>> >
>> >> From jmoreh@openhorizon.com Fri Apr 11 14:08:23 1997
>> >> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:09:13 -0700
>> >> From: Jahan Moreh <jmoreh@openhorizon.com>
>> >> To: java-security@web2.javasoft.com
>> >> CC: jmoreh@openhorizon.com
>> >> Subject: sun.security package
>> >>
>> >> Could you please guide us as to who we need to contact in order to
>> >> license sun.security.* packages. We'd like to use Sun's implementation
>> >> of the Acl, Permission, Groups, AclEntry, and Principal interfaces and
>> >> distribute these with our product. Any help is greatly appreciated.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Jahan Moreh
>> >> Open Horizon, Inc.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> -------------------------------------------------
>> Jahan Moreh
>> Senior Product Manager, Enterprise Security
>> Open Horizon, Inc.
>> tel: 310 476 3767
>> fax: 310 476 7189
>> email: jmoreh@openhorizon.com
>>
>> For additional information about Open Horizon
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>>
>>
>
>
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Jahan Moreh
Senior Product Manager, Enterprise Security
Open Horizon, Inc.
tel: 310 476 3767
fax: 310 476 7189
email: jmoreh@openhorizon.com

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